tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post5306020392477376600..comments2024-03-21T08:47:42.815-07:00Comments on Beautiful Muslimah: Jewish and Christian "Hijab" IIPixiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08451049563167761015noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-13303575351241007132012-06-18T12:49:51.727-07:002012-06-18T12:49:51.727-07:00Dear Pixie,
I remember me and my friend were havin...Dear Pixie,<br />I remember me and my friend were having the same discussion wheather christians have to cover their head or not and she - as someone who used to take relion very serious for a long term - was pretty sure that Christian women don't have to use a veil. So I tried to find something on the internet and I read oh so much essays of "experts" who said that we don't have to do it at all. But reading you essay, it makes perfectly sence why to cover our heads and makes me ashamed, facing that I didn't read the bible carefully enough. <br />Thank you for that. :)Leeshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-62365313752421432622012-03-10T22:19:26.704-08:002012-03-10T22:19:26.704-08:00Wow.
Thank you so much for sharing this, and for ...Wow. <br />Thank you so much for sharing this, and for bringing up what the Bible says about headcoverings. I'm absolutely in awe of the girls I know who wear hijab, and whenever I see them, I'm amazed at how beautiful it is to be modest! As a Christian, I never realized that the same standards applied to me until very recently.EmStowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04005741397618248490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-90370898936655061552011-03-31T16:51:23.324-07:002011-03-31T16:51:23.324-07:00All I can say is thank you for sharing your wisdom...All I can say is thank you for sharing your wisdom on this issue. <br />I recently put many hours into the study of 1 Corinthians 11, which brought me to the knowledge that as a Christian wife I should be covering my head. Infact in your post you mentioned many truths about this topic that I know most Christian women dont even know about, so I commend you in that. Thank you very much! I hope more Christian and Jewish women learn to cover their heads, which I believe will bring more acceptance (and respect) for the modest dressing that the brave muslim women have been practicing all along.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-14954483501534236412010-09-03T22:14:14.881-07:002010-09-03T22:14:14.881-07:00I am striving to be a better Christian. Unfortunat...I am striving to be a better Christian. Unfortunately 97% of American Christians do not wear a head covering, let alone live the laws given to them by God. If your clothing is a frame for your face, God is pleased with your clothing. If your clothing is a frame for your body, it is sensual and God hates the way you are dressing. This is true for everyone- both men and women!Tecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17308191376035579887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-26492721010561314012010-09-01T09:58:38.171-07:002010-09-01T09:58:38.171-07:00Sorry about commenting so far away from the date o...Sorry about commenting so far away from the date of posting :)<br /><br />I am a Catholic woman investigating dress and modesty to ponder how I should live to better give glory to God. I am also single, so it is particularly apparent to me that Christian women did not wear covering to show submission to all men, just submission to God and to her husband (if married) as we are only asked to submit to our husband, not all men. But there's also a point I think you missed: Paul said we are also supposed to cover because of the angels. I am not sure why exactly, but I think this must be a spiritual reason.<br /><br />Peace!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-74932566785181293332010-08-31T07:35:49.970-07:002010-08-31T07:35:49.970-07:00Thank you for posting this article, and for your g...Thank you for posting this article, and for your gracious manner of the sharing different views of head-covering.<br /><br />The other day, I felt badly for not considering the practice of head-covering and presuming that I was free from it. I didn't want to hear that my Lord might really want me to be covered. How sad! How hypocritical of me. Would I want my children to copy me in that attitude?<br /><br />So with my best friend, who is my husband, we read I Corinthians 11 (in the NIV which is not my favorite translation), and I was convicted by the same evidence that you gave. Even more I was troubled that in all my uncovered prayers, I was disregarding not only my Lord, but His angels. A mystery that can not be ignored even if I don't undertand the impact.<br /><br />Here is another link I found helpful in the Christian understanding of head-covering; the footnote is important. Maybe you will like it as well:<br /><br />http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/headcoverings.aspxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-71883639451158818642009-04-15T16:13:00.000-07:002009-04-15T16:13:00.000-07:00Headcovergirl: I am not writing this from a Christ...Headcovergirl: I am not writing this from a Christian perspective but an Islamic one to correct Muslims in somsething they are doing wrong. I KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWW Christian women covered their hair and wore loose modest dresses and robes and that pagan and Jewish women veiled completely. ANYONE who studies historical costume can figure this out. The true point of this post was not to dictate what Christians should wear since their obligations were corrupted in the belief of my own and Muslims---no offense intended--- the Bible was put together by men through different periods of history, but to show what was already a practice common to them, so that Muslims could see where we were directed to be specifically different (which was the covering of the chest and wearing an overgarment (not the modest clothing and mere headcovering which some Muslims believe is sufficient, not udnerstanding the history the chest coverage provided by the scarf and the overgarment came from). Before the crusades it was not actually common for married Christian women going out about on the street to have their chest covered by a headdress but it WAS common for them to have their hair covered---but during the crusades it became typical fashion because it was practical. It was a fashion that evolved from a Muslim one, which came from a previous MiddleEastern one but that we believe our religion tells us to be more specific about.Pixiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08451049563167761015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-87378918570013478242009-04-15T14:25:00.000-07:002009-04-15T14:25:00.000-07:00I was not saying that he was referring his words j...I was not saying that he was referring his words just to Corinthians but that he was basing the prescriptions on what he believed was human "nature," but which was culturally mediated - mainly, long hair is normal for women and short for men, but that would "naturally" not be true since only once a culture began cutting would length matter at all... I didn't mean that the prescriptions were only for Corinthians but that the instructions were coming from a particular cultural perspective. <br />-InterestedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-58915513020953415942009-04-15T13:19:00.000-07:002009-04-15T13:19:00.000-07:00You wrote, "Ironically, during the crusades, Chris...You wrote, "Ironically, during the crusades, Christian clothing and nun's habits were evolved to look more like a Muslim woman's, as they adopted our way of wearing the khimar, so that it covers the chest, though Christian women were only comanded to cover the hair." This is not correct to say that they imitated the clothing of a "Muslim woman" since robes and head coverings were and are very culturally bound to the Middle east and thus Christianity since its emergence. For 600 years Christianity thrived in the middle east and early Christian fathers wrote that Christian-virgins were covered and that this distinguished them from others. Tertullian (ca.160 – ca.220 AD) writes, "Throughout Greece, and certain of its barbaric provinces, the majority of Churches keep their virgins covered." So this was a practice long before Islam arrived on the scene. Also he writes that, "The pagan women of Arabia will be your judges. For they cover not only the head, but the face also. . . . But how severe a chastisement will they likewise deserve, who remain uncovered even during the recital of the Psalms and at any mention of the name of God? For even when they are about to spend time in prayer itself, they only place a fringe, tuft [of cloth], or any thread whatever on the crown of their heads. And they think that they are covered!" [Tertullian, The Veiling of Virgins The Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. 4 pp. 27-29,33]. Check out this blog for further early church father quotes, http://freetocover.blogspot.com/2009/02/early-church-fathers-quotesagain.html<br />I'm just trying to make the point that the pagan Arab women always covered their faces and head 400 years before Islam ever came to be so it is a cultural practice and not religious mandate since time began. In Islam, covering is mandatory while in Christianity the heart is what is most important, followed by a sense of modesty. I head cover fully because I love continuing the Christian tradition and out of reverence for God, but it is not a mandate as it is in Islam...nothing is mandated but belief in God and his son Jesus Christ. Also, Hebrew women veiled their faces as well, read the Old Testament for more information, so it's not only an Islamic-thing thing to be modest...people were very modest long before Islam's arrival. Sorry if this comes across as harsh I just thought I should correct you on this mistake in reasoning. God Bless, HCGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-37101901483233280372009-04-15T04:46:00.000-07:002009-04-15T04:46:00.000-07:00From what I understand Paul's letters to various C...From what I understand Paul's letters to various Christian communities focused on issues in those communities. Christians were urged not to do things that would cause others to stumble or give a wrong impression of Christianity. They were supposed to be culturally sensitive (hence the debate over circumcision, eating meat sacrificed to idols, eating pork, etc., covering the head, etc.)<br /><br />You cannot view the Bible or Christianity the way you view Islam because they are very different in their approach to religion. Christianity (if you look at the Bible) has a lot less fixed rules and rituals. There is more focus on purely spiritual life and less on physical laws to guide things like eating habits, dress, etc.<br /><br />With regard to the passage about long hair being a shame for a man and short hair being a shame for a woman, I heard one explanantion once that said that the non Christian Corinthians followed a cult where the priests and priestesses of whatever god/ess they worshipped were temple prostitutes and that the men wore their hair long and the women cut their hair and this was the symbol of those people so he was urging Corinthians specifically not to be associated with that image.<br /><br />There are good and bad things in the way almost all religions are observed by modern men. I would say though that the beauty of Christianity its flexibility when it comes to different cultures and changing times. <br /><br />Oh, my family was very friendly with an Amish Family when I was younger. Amish women, as many of you know, wear some form of head covering at all times. This is because of their interpretation of the scriptures that tell them to cover their heads when praying combined with the one that says "pray without ceasing for this is the will of God" so they took that to mean that since they should always be in a prayerful spirit, their heads should also always be covered.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-81415831191025795092009-04-14T07:32:00.000-07:002009-04-14T07:32:00.000-07:00I think you did a lot of good research for this po...I think you did a lot of good research for this post. I don't cover full time as of yet, but its nice to see the many perspectives on covering in the monotheistic religions. Showing your modesty and submission to God is so important in a society that doesn't remember God anymore or denies his existence outright. Salaam Alaykum.Stacy K. https://www.blogger.com/profile/06853574441003653244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-32775843583296622142009-04-13T15:16:00.000-07:002009-04-13T15:16:00.000-07:00srinvas: Dunya is the life on earth excluding the ...srinvas: Dunya is the life on earth excluding the hereafter.Pixiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08451049563167761015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-64241748460967061202009-04-13T15:03:00.000-07:002009-04-13T15:03:00.000-07:00Interested: when reading the whole narration in co...Interested: when reading the whole narration in context which I had not posted since there alot of references to Christ (which I do not believe in as a Muslim) the comment is directed at all Christians in address, not just the people of Corinth. You might want to read the beginning of Corinthians!:DPixiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08451049563167761015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-7586169897502298352009-04-13T14:30:00.000-07:002009-04-13T14:30:00.000-07:00I have to say I am not eloquent with words like yo...I have to say I am not eloquent with words like you Pixies so it takes me a min to figure out how to get across what I want to say so someone else will get it like I mean it...basically I'm not really good with words. I believe Jesus was G*d manifested in the flesh. So to answer your question Yes. Anywho, don't laugh (LOL) Wikepedia has a really easy explination I found.<BR/><BR/>The Father <BR/>The title of God in Parental Relationship.<BR/> <BR/>The Son of God <BR/>The only-begotten Son of God, the One God incarnate in human flesh. "Son" refers to the either the humanity and the deity of Jesus together, or to the humanity alone, but never to the deity alone.<BR/><BR/>The Holy Spirit <BR/>The title of God in activity as Spirit.<BR/><BR/>I know you said you had been around Pentecostals but, here is the wiki link mabey if someone else wants to read about it =)<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneness_PentecostalismAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-68820071439840439712009-04-13T14:01:00.000-07:002009-04-13T14:01:00.000-07:00I am just wondering, Paul was referring to cultura...I am just wondering, Paul was referring to cultural norms in Corinthians - it is not normally IN CORINTH for men to have long hair and it is normal in Corinth for shamed women to have their heads shaved. But, does this one cultural prescription pretain to everyone? It is not shaming for a man in some cultures to have long hair or for women to have short hair...then, wouldn't doing the opposite actually be disobeying the norms that God placed on those people?<BR/><BR/>-InterestedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-86005731945040676462009-04-13T13:53:00.000-07:002009-04-13T13:53:00.000-07:00I'll leave off after this, since I have no desire ...I'll leave off after this, since I have no desire to hijack Pixie's post.<BR/><BR/>Tiffany, "I believe that G*d is One and fulfills those distinct roles. <BR/>I'm one person but, I am also a mother, sister and daughter but, that does not make me 3 distinct and seperate people. Thats all I was trying to say =)"<BR/><BR/>The best part of this is, the first time I heard that exact explanation was from a Catholic, explaining the Trinity. I'm going to have to say, we're saying the same thing, just in slightly different ways. Unless, of course, I misunderstand and you don't believe that Christ was God, in which case we are on different pages.<BR/><BR/>My favorite explanation of the Trinity is this, however (in extreme brief) - One God: the Father who begets the Word who became incarnate, Jesus Christ and who sends his Spirit, His breath, upon us in the name of His Word. Inseparably One God, mysteriously in three persons. (I borrow this from Alana at Free to Cover, another blog.)<BR/><BR/>And to finish off, I am one Christian who believes it is quite clear we're called to cover our hair, and to dress modestly. I've been mistaken for a Muslim on occasion. :)Amberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09002997517784638068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-84114281870278726492009-04-13T13:32:00.000-07:002009-04-13T13:32:00.000-07:00Controlled Chaos: salaam alaykom.Controlled Chaos: salaam alaykom.Pixiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08451049563167761015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-42197620502050725022009-04-13T13:31:00.000-07:002009-04-13T13:31:00.000-07:00Tiffany Nicole: but do you believe Jesus is the so...Tiffany Nicole: but do you believe Jesus is the son of God instead of a Prophet?Pixiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08451049563167761015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-68884074321567023462009-04-13T13:09:00.000-07:002009-04-13T13:09:00.000-07:00Salaam wa'alaikumfirst time here. I really liked y...Salaam wa'alaikum<BR/>first time here. I really liked your layout its really serene (does that make sense?)<BR/>I really liked how you used all those pictures to show all the different "hijabs" :)controlled chaoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01629192209542218228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-52456263918017366732009-04-13T11:48:00.000-07:002009-04-13T11:48:00.000-07:00Thanks Pixie Now I will be looking for the 1611ver...Thanks Pixie<BR/> Now I will be looking for the 1611version. I started reading the NIV because all of the thous & ye's had me like "Whats?" lol but, I see how things could have been lost in translation. Like your Mother K, I just follow the Bible to the best of my ability and don't doubt that things at some point or another have been lost in translation =( thats one reason I am so keen on learning things form Muslims and Jews alike. Sometimes it can clear up misinterpertations (spell check?) or even lead you in the right direction as far as figuring out cultural customs of the time and why certian things were done.<BR/><BR/>Catholics believe there is one God consisting of three distinct and equal divine Persons; Father, son and Holy Spirit. <BR/>I believe that G*d is One and fulfills those distinct roles. <BR/>I'm one person but, I am also a mother, sister and daughter but, that does not make me 3 distinct and seperate people. Thats all I was trying to say =)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-9245459952998412922009-04-13T10:04:00.000-07:002009-04-13T10:04:00.000-07:00Amber: LOL, yes if we could all read Hebrew and gr...Amber: LOL, yes if we could all read Hebrew and greek and latin, AND Arabic, our understanding of history would be more accurate.Pixiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08451049563167761015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-67988827054631176292009-04-13T09:38:00.000-07:002009-04-13T09:38:00.000-07:00Another really great post Pixie, and thanks for gi...Another really great post Pixie, and thanks for giving me reason number 1,001 to despise the NIV translation. <BR/><BR/>Also, just to defend my newly Catholic self, I do believe that there is only one God. You can argue that I'm deluding myself, that the Trinity does not add up to three gods, and you may well be right, just for the sake of argument. I'm just saying - not a polytheist over here. Baring those branches of Christianity who don't believe in the Trinity, I think we're all on the same page there...Amberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09002997517784638068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-26355967787949694142009-04-13T09:36:00.000-07:002009-04-13T09:36:00.000-07:00Tiffany Nicole: You are sooooo sweet. I love your ...Tiffany Nicole: You are sooooo sweet. I love your chatter. If anyone gives you trouble, point out to them the differences in the greek, that the words have different meanings. It might be helpful. And you're so right how I refer to Catholicism, but the family that raised me (fostered) were Pentecostal so we've have the hair/headcovering discussion:D I love my other mother K. Love her sooo much. She is a better person than my mother and trying to follow the Bible exactly as it was meant and I think that is beautiful, even if I feel wary of the interpretation and accuracy of the content. it has made her a better person than non-practicing Muslims.Pixiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08451049563167761015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-25795426084982093042009-04-13T09:33:00.000-07:002009-04-13T09:33:00.000-07:00OumAmir: on the other page did you NOT say the cov...OumAmir: on the other page did you NOT say the coverings were of spirituality not clothing? Your points, really make no matter as tio what Paul said. He said that this was a practice recognized by the Church, and "the followers of Isa" and no other would be recognized. A woman who refuses to is being disobedient of what is praised, recommended, and stated to be the only recognized symbol of such in her own holy book.Pixiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08451049563167761015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-923965432025935498.post-27956068834926436612009-04-13T09:28:00.000-07:002009-04-13T09:28:00.000-07:00Emma: we do (and history)consider the Bible flawed...Emma: we do (and history)consider the Bible flawed, but for thsoe who do follow it, they believe in it, and so they should also see that have reasons to cover too. I see a husband being head of me oppressive. Allah S.W.T is the only one I submit to. But I do believe men and women have different roles but that God made us equal before His blessed sight. Feminism did kill the veil, but that final announcement from the Catholic church was the final nail in the coffin for many, sadly. LOL Catholisim is filled wioth so many hypocrisies that I know it is no measuring stick for Isa's message but you have to remember it was Rome itself at the conference of Nicea that took Christianity widely over and made Jesus the son of God. Before that, to many people, as he remains to us, was merely a Prophet bearing the same message that Prophets bore before him.Pixiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08451049563167761015noreply@blogger.com