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BTW all, this post came out of some thinking after reading Aalia's post [here: http://chasing-jannah.blogspot.com/2009/08/ask-co-wife-interview.html ].
Still, I know women (even seeing my husband happily married to me!) eye my husband up as possible marriage material. One waitress at my favourite restaurant [not a Muslimah alhamdulilah---- I mean in this situation I would have been saddened by a Muslimah behaving this way--- not that I don't hope she comes to Islam:p] approached my husband with her phone number after I went to the restroom. The owner of the premise happened to be within earshot. "No thank-you Ma'aam, I am married," my husband informed her. "It doesn't matter," waitress said. "No thank-you," my husband said. After she went away the owner came up to my husband and apologised. (Yeah, it doesn't hurt that the owner is one of my favourite clients from my old job unbeknownst to my husband and she is the sweetest and most fiesty and independent lady EVER lol). She (the owner) informed my husband the matter would be taken care of, and she fired said waitress after service. My husband relates the experience to me, afraid it will make me feel insecure. He doesn't need to worry. I trust him already. Some Emirati chick already tried to pull the same thing. My husband generally doesn't look a woman in the eyes and always remains a respectful distance. The fact is, studies have proven, that women are more attracted to married (or engaged in a relationship) men than unmarried ones. It is wired into our brains:p Not that that is ANY excuse for behaviour without hayaa (modesty) and taqwa (fear of Allah).
Despite what alot of misinformed people think, polygamy is not encouraged in Islam. In Judaism and Christianity polygamy existed (with NOOOOOOooooooooo cap on how many wives you could have) up until the Jewish priesthood and the Christian church (not the teachings of either faith) put a kibosh on that. Islam actuallywas the first to make a move to do anything about multiple wives. Islam said you could ONLY EVER have four wives at the same time. It further specified that a man could only marry more than one woman if he could physically and mentally and spiritually treat all the women he aimed to marry fairly and equally. Which is where my husband whines, but I don't want to... Personally, I think he is CAPABLE, but I do not think he is WILLING to work that hard lol.
There is also another thing about that ayah in the Qu'ran permitting polygamy (allowing of course the four cap and the fairness part) that many forget, but let me quote it in whole first before explaining in depth:
And if you have reason to fear that you might not act equitably towards orphans, then marry from among [the] women such as are lawful to you - [even] two, or three, or four: but if you have reason to fear that you might not be able to treat them with equal fairness, then [only] one ...
THIS ayah SAYS THAT if you cannot be fair towards the orphans (which unmarried reverts, divorced women without families, and orphan children all are) [fair, means limit yourself to halal conduct and give sadaqah] IF YOU CANNOT DO JUST THIS, then, you should marry, to stop yourself from taking advantage of them or doing things improper. This is part of it (who you can marry when marrying more than one), coming before the cap, and coming before the "treat them fairly" bit. So if a man is marrying more than one wife, it should be a woman who is alone in the world, with little or no support. THEN, on top of that, if adds, of these women in your care, if you would marry one, do not marry another if you cannot treat her fair. It does not say you should marry three, or four, lol, if you can take care of the women without improriety within the shariah. But it says, to prevent impropriety you should marry them. Which doesn't make marriage to more than one a recommendation of the religion. The recommendation is that marriage itself stops impropriety, and the best kind of women to marry if one must marry, are those women who have no one to care for them, and really, the ayah states, that the only reason to marry more than one is to care for orphans (whether they be children who need a mother who is financially and emotionally capable to raise them, a divorced woman, a widowed woman, or a woman without family). It is quite literal, and is obvious in the Arabic AND translated text. I will say of course there are many men that abuse the meaning of the text, and thus so-called Islamic polygamy gets a bad rap, but that is not how it is. How it truly is, is very unselfish on the man's part, and an act of charity (not lust and self-satisfaction).
So having studied the sunnah of multiple marriages, I can conclude, I would accept if my husband married a second wife (even if our families both disowned us for this or my country prosecuted us for this) if she was:
a. a divorced woman who could find no other good Muslim man to marry her and she was lonely and having difficulty supporting herself and maybe even her kids (I'd be willing to work to help support her too even though Islamically my husband couldn't marry another if he alone couldn't come up with the income),
b. a revert sister without a Muslim family who couldn't find a husband but was lonely,
c. a widowed woman in the same condition as woman a..,
d. If I could not have children and my husband wanted some (then obviously he could marry from a, b, and c)
e. If I had some horrible illness that made me a vegatble, or like, paralyzed, or fatigued to the point of vegetation lol (here, and only here, he could marry any woman that he wants).
In all cases but e. I would have some further criteria... I'd have to get along with the other woman, so I'd have to approve of her too, on top of my husband approving of her. Personally, myself, I'd want us all to live in the same house (but a big house, with each wife having her own floor). I wouldn't want side by side bedrooms, ya know? Ick. But I wouldn't want my husband sleeping under another roof. I would feel vulnerable then. But I guess I would be able to live with it if wife two or three or four from categories a. and c. already owned their own properties and didn't want to sell them or move their kids. But that would be hard for me. I perfer the monster house with our own sections idea.
One of the happiest marriages I have ever seen was like this (there were three wives and two were close in age [the second and the third (the third was a divorcee with an abusive family)] and the second wife was a widow from her first marriage and was thirty years older than their husband and she was like the Mommy one the other two went to for advice. There were all extroidanarily close, and obviously, the husband sought out women that needed help and that would get along, and thus, lol, the marriage was actually harder on him (since he had to work to support all three) than it was one them. Plus, lol, since they were all so close, if he ever truly messed up, usually all three would be mad to him together lol.
So I have seen it work. So I know I could do it, if it was done right. I am totally not into the guy needing another woman (who isn't in need) when nothing is wrong with his first wife (so what, she gained some baby weight, what have you done lately?hmmm?!). I would do it if divorced or widowed if the wife or wives sat at the same table as the husband and no one was just picking me as the baby-making machine or the sex toy ya know? If that were the case I'd wind up divorced pretty fast because becuase I require intellectual depth from a spouse and require to be required for the same.
I`d also want the big house compared to seperate houses because of my own preferences. And I would never, never agree to marry a man if I knew he was already married and his wife wasn`t involved in the process. That`s about it.
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The romantic ideals go out the window a bit when you realise how dreadfully insecure and sad it makes you feel to know that your husband thinks you may not be enough for him.
I really love my husband, and I know he'd do everything fairly and properly because alhamdulillah he's a very good muslim, but it still totally breaks my heart that he can't feel the same love that I do, and if I start to think about how it would feel knowing my husband is going to be enjoying a honeymoon period with another woman, and going through all those special moments that you have when you're getting to know someone new, I just can't bear it. It would seem like all the special things we've shared together have just blown away in the wind.
Anyway , it's a vicious loop that requires strong fiath in order to get along in such marriage
i hope your having a wonderful ramadan inshaallah!!
Ah im so glad SOMEONE understands me lol. its really sad to see women "ugh i cant stand that second wife crap id be so mad"
i understand as a woman if the situtation wasnt done correctly, and even i used to make those comments, but i have been trying and im stilll trying to see the hikma in it.
i am not married yet, how ever inshaallah will be soon, and beofore i sign any contract or have my futur husband sign one, at the sit down with my wali, i want to have a head on conversation about this, because if my husband decided to get married and i didnt know, it woul dbe world war 20000 up in my house!! lol i'd probably load his food with tobasco sauce and pepper. haha
but i love how u said the three women in the sittuation are, mashaalah thats beautiful, and if i did have a co wife, i would pray that she is either like a sister to me, or like a stranger to me (give glad tidings to the strangers) but i always friendly, also lets me treat her kids as my own, and vice versa.
i have a question though.
how would you feel marrying a man with a child? if there is no drama attatched to the childs mom, or no feelings, and he was a honest to goodness person?
About your last point, remember when some lame dude asked one of the brothers if about a certain revert girl as a second wife (cuz he thought she was blonde:p)! I just was like, no super pretty blonde convert sister is going to want marry this dude for his reasoning, even as a first wife, ha, let alone as a second?!
Well, if my husband found a woman from the categories I listed I still wouldn't mind. If the woman came from outside those categories, I would divorce. That's just me. You might try and talk to your husband though, ask him if he is doing it to be seflish or to give sadaqah without indiscretion. You also should explain your feelings clearly without being accusatory (usually works for me and other sisters that I know), and tell him about the honeymoon period. Ask him to wait a while and give you your alone time, if he is actually going to marry another woman for a reason of charity rather than sex and status he'd be able to do this.
I guess I should add another condition (but I didn't since I know it isn't my lot in life he he he). If my husband were ever the leader of a Muslim nation, I would also concede to him marrying another women to prevent wars. Because this is also the sunnah of the Prophet Mohammed sallalalhu alahi wa salaam. I laugh when I see so many Omani princes (not the most Islamic types:p) marrying multiple wives. They certainly cannot claim any of those women were married for political reasons lol.
LOL, yeah, I'd totally more than pepper his food:p. He'd have trouble walking for a few days. That is if he had a sceret wife who met the conditions of a wife for sadaqah. If he didn't have a wife from those conditions, it'd be remarriage for all the wrong reasons, and I'd divorce him.
I suggest to any one getting married (there is a misconception that you can actually legally bind the marriage to be monogamous in the nikah agreement---that is not so or backed up by shariah) that you stipulate in your nikah agreement that you must know about any other wives of your spouse, and that you have the right to divorce him on remarriage (and what you want in the divorce on such an occasion should be detailed here). That IS in Shariah.
Even if you wouldn't divorce him even if he wanted to remarry for the wrong reasons, this clause in your nikah agreement is usually enough to make a guy reconsider such a foolworthy pursuit. Islam gives women alot of rights, we just need to know them in order to use them when needed!:p
Cuz I don't want any babies:D
i agree with you on some points but what anonymous said rings true for me. Before we got married, my husband already constantly sing about this whole polygamy hullabaloo. it saddened me to think that i amnot enough for him. i try to be rationale at fist but even when proposing, and on our first night after the wedding, he repeated this cooly saying "i will always love you, my first wife". I feel hurt and try to leave it at that. But being human, i am made of lots of mistake. Every time we have arguments, he will bring this up, saying that I'll start behaving when he got married to another women. For him, this is sunnah mustahaab..not on the condition you stated. And him being a Yemeni who live all his live in Saudi to turn a blind eye to certain things that doesn't agree to his need is quite heartwrenching. I told him that if i feel he can't be fair to two or more women from the way he perform his shalat (usually not in time), he said that fairness is not men attributes. However, the prophet has given a say in this so he should fulfill the sunnah. Duh? For me doing the wajeeb is a jihad that following a sunnah you know you can't live up to it. If asked about love he said men's love is like a piece of cake, you can divide it to many pieces but the taste will be the same. So, all in all, though he is a good husband to the not-so-perfect-nor good me, it will eat up your pride, esteem and dignity when the husband non-challantly said he is considering another life with another women besides you. For me, all i could do is tawakkal and leave the matter to God Almighty. I hope it will never happened, but if it does, then may Allah brace me with strong heart and redha to accept His decision.
p/s:Keep posting..you keep me sane in the search of Nur Ad-Deen
You said:
Most men remarried in their early 40s when they felt they needed a cute new young wife
That is sick and I would not stand for that. I am not against polgany but if it was for THAT purpose ONLY, HELL NO would I stick around.
Ali could not marry again in this specific story not because Fatima objected to being in a polygamous marriage. It was becayse the bride to be was the daughter of Abu Jahl, an enemy of Allah, and fatimah didn't want an anemy of allah as part of her household.
""Ali demanded the hand of the daughter of Abu Jahl. Fatimah heard of this and went to Allah's Messenger saying, 'Your people think that you do not become angry for the sake of your daughters as `Ali now is going to marry the daughter of Abu Jahl.'
On that, the Messenger got up and after his recitation of Tashahud (witnessing the oneness of the Creator and the prophethood of His Final Messenger) I heard him saying, 'I married one of my daughters (Zainab) to Abu Al-`Aas ibn Ar-Rabi` before Islam and he proved truthful in whatever he said to me. No doubt Fatimah is part of me; I hate to see her troubled. By Allah, the daughter of Allah's Messenger and the daughter of Allah's enemy cannot be the wives of one man.'" [Saheeh al-Bukhaari, Vol. 4, Book 53 (Book of One-Fifth of War Booty), Hadeeth No. 2900]
Thank you for clarifying how it SHOULD be. So many sisters, like some here, have husbands who tell them i t is there right and that is that - and it isn't. It is the worst when med get another wife (young) when they hit their midlife crisis. It is devastating to the first wife - who feels rightly so - she has been abandoned.
I know many divorced sisters with children looking for part time husbands. Men that are already married and will spend no more that 3 /4 days with them. And I can see the benefits of such arrangements for both women involved.
So many sisters, like some here, have husbands who tell them i t is there right and that is that
I think many Arab and other muslim men are taking advantage of polygamy rights granted to them with blatant disregard for terms and conditions. This has truly distorted the image of Islam further. Plus, many muslim women due to economic and financial reasons forego their right to attain divorce from their husbands. Non-Muslims, hence, percieve that divorce rights haven't been granted to women by Islam.
I wish I could clear all these stereotypes and misconceptions.
I love your blog. It has inspired me to take up blogging once more, except this time, I intend to blog more about Islam, Insha-Allah!
While you, a Muslim woman, does. SubhanAllah.
My husband and I have chatted about this issue too. Unfortunately, the sheikhs in Egypt tend to take a different stance on it being Mustahabb versus an exception. While I was in the US, the sheikh that came to the house to teach his sister Qur'an repeatedly talked to him about taking a second wife, "you know, while yours is in the US." Astaghfirullah. The conversation, at one time, then veered to having a wife on every continent. Double astaghfirullah.
I think that this is an issue that isn't discussed fully enough, especially in Muslim societies. JazakaAllah khair for bringing it up!
--Lea
Well, in a sense, since alot of women in Egypt are poorer, or widowed, or divorced (cuz of some loser), then I would say this is a case of it being mustahaab too. But what the clerics ALWAYS forget from the ayah is that the command is to marry more than one wife FROM AMONG THOSE WOMEN ALONE OR TO PROVIDE FOR ORPHAN CHILDREN. This is a great stipulation of the ayah itself, on the conditions of polygny. Very few men want to be THAT GENEROUS with their sadaqah. Polygny was to be for sadaqah reasons or medical reasons ALONE.